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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wheya Edited by: Wheya on 02/06/2006 17:53:12 Lasers by default have the best tracking.
Numbers shamelessly grabbed from ingame market.
Focused medium pulse I tracking speed: 0.072
Heavy pulse I tracking speed: 0.065
dual 180mm tracking speed: 0.132
220mm vulcan I tracking speed: 0.1175
425mm autocannon I tracking speed: 0.1065
Heavy electron blaster I tracking speed: 0.12
Heavy ion blaster I tracking speed: 0.11
Heavy neutron blaster I tracking speed: 0.1
Afaik the only amarr t1 ship with tracking bonus is destroyer.
Sure they do nice damage, if you could fit them without using the extra low slot pair faction boni, and then some for cap.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wheya Yodohime Kibagami, my statement was lacking some more explanation. Lasers do always have the best tracking in optimal range aka range/tracking ratio.
Of course blasters and autocannos have better tracking as an absolute number because they were designed to fire at a much shorter range and that's absolutely fine and balanced.
The laser user want to keep some distance, the AC/blaster user wants to close up. They often meet somewhere in the middle if both use webifiers where AC/basters shoot in falloff range with higher base damage while pulse lasers fire below optimal range but often still not have tracking issues because the opponent is approaching at a very low speed when webbed (often with activated mwd and a huge sig penalty).
Yeah that makes more sense allthough a narrower area where you have worse tracking to sounds a little ackward, still I'm glad of the explanation behind the sentence that didnt look right.
In the end its not really even the tracking that worries me of amarr guns, its their fitting requirement in relation to the powergrid offered on the ships they are supposed to be mounted.
And the mandatory 10% less cap ship boni for fighting vessels that cuts down on the possible boni's they could have.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.02 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Yodohime Kibagami on 02/06/2006 21:02:52
Originally by: Wheya
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Props for good post
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.02 22:03:00 -
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Second what imperial said, mail it to ccp, nice post :)
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:27:00 -
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I'm not totally convinced the em/thermal is as big problem as the grid need on some of the lasers is pretty disturbing.
What was the average toon age again? 7 months or something?
If you cant use RCU II's and have advanced weapon upgrades IV or V you WILL need 4 RCU's to fit full rack of tachyons on a apoc.
I'm sorry but to me it just sounds wrong, for most amarr ships there is no low slot benefit because they must be used on cap or grid mods, or both.
Its not just for battleships, there's hardly any using amarr cruisers with their own guns, instead maller does better with small blasters or autocannons.
Omen I cant be bothered to try fly anymore because the 'best' gank config is 2 heavy pulses 2 focused meds w/ 3 HS II's, with 4 heavy pulses you need to give up the 3'rd HS II for a RCU.
Didnt heavy pulses compare to heavy ions, not neuts?
With rax on the other hand I can fit all five heavy neuts and 3 magstab II's with a RCU and one low slot left for repper, which for me has to be small repper II but I dont mind, all gank setup, with a little better grid skills I could even have MWD on it.
Arbitrator is pretty cool though, but still like a lesser cousin of the vexor, the amarr counterpart has only the fraction of the damaging ability of vexor by itself.
I doubt I have to say anything about the Augoror, besides that all the npc ship builders have thousands of them for sale on the build locations, because nobody buys them for anything but cargo runners.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:43:00 -
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Quote: and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
Correct me if I'm wrong but x-large booster II is capital ship grade yes?
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: FireMonk
Originally by: Yodohime Kibagami
Quote: and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
Correct me if I'm wrong but x-large booster II is capital ship grade yes?
wrong capital sb is capital size
My bad, never saw any on available market deals.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 16/06/2006 22:08:22
Originally by: Xendie
i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
The apoc isn't meant to be a damage dealer. Why do people keep whining that apoc doesn't do as much damage as a tempest or a megathron. Hello, that is what the armageddon is for. Now, as I have stated before, the Apoc needs a grid boost so it can fit 8 mega pulse 2s or 7 tach 2s w/o having to fit a pg booster. However, it should be increased so that with 8 MP2s or 7 tach2s, it has very little PG to spare. If you have to ask why, please reread the first sentence.
The whining isnt because of the lack of offensive power alone, it has been stated over half a dozen times in neat numbers or reasoned posts.
The tank on apoc is not exceptional on any sense and to fit its best tank means it wont do any meaningful damage to other battleships.
So people take a mega and fit the same tank config on it and still have a rather meaningful influence.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.21 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Scary Noises The bastard fitting requirements of frig and cruiser beams really could use a look atleast. It isn't like they are that good even after you get them to fit.
Pulses aswell, only ship I know that can fit a full rack of heavy pulses is prophecy, with a realistic config anyway.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn
Originally by: Yodohime Kibagami
Originally by: Scary Noises The bastard fitting requirements of frig and cruiser beams really could use a look atleast. It isn't like they are that good even after you get them to fit.
Pulses aswell, only ship I know that can fit a full rack of heavy pulses is prophecy, with a realistic config anyway.
zealot as well, and i think these are the to most used cruisers/BC
maller, omen, and sac can't fit heavy's without nerfing their tank to add 1 - 2 RCUs
I was guessing the zealot could but didnt comment on it because I have no experience of that and the sac, I try not to speak of things I have no knowledge of :)
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:15:00 -
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Wonder how gallente would feel if hybrid CPU use was doubled and one ship boni removed from each ship to be replaced by 10% less cpu use on hybrids per level, so they'd just have to get rank 5 on all ship class levels.
And the official message from higher up would be: They have a inbuilt damage mod, dammit, stop complaining, seriously, what the hell.
Just a thought
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Yodohime Kibagami on 28/06/2006 20:49:21 Edited by: Yodohime Kibagami on 28/06/2006 20:48:54
Quote: Changing lasers from em > thermal to thermal > em, shouldn't be done, primary damage is em for amarr(like it is explosive for minmatar, kinetic for caldari and thermal for gallente).
Right... so why are all t1 hybrid ammo having more kinetic than thermal damage if thermal is Gallente racial damage?
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:57:00 -
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Quote: Daft isn't it? Close-range hybrid ammos should be thermal/kinetic, while long-range should be kinetic/thermal. T2 blaster ammo should be mainly thermal (I haven't checked to see if it is or not) and T2 railgun ammo mostly kinetic.
Quite so
/signed
(Both t2 ammo types have more thermal, another victory for consistency)
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Yodohime Kibagami on 29/06/2006 13:01:37
Quote: Waa waa waa I want a ship like the vagabond
How is that -not- trolling?
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.07.02 12:32:00 -
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Quote: ***EAMNs need EM resist removed/reduced, likewise for invul and explosive ***APOC needs cap bonus changed to resist bonus ***retri needs mid slot and minus useless hi slot ***t2 crystals that have less shots but are eaiser to make (20 mil in crystals is more reasonable than 60) ***OMEN/ZEALOT need 5th turret slot (this will bring both ships max DPS on par with other hacs/t1 cruisers max DPS) ***lazer cap bonus needs to be changed from 10% per lvl to 12.5% per lvl ***khanid ships need rework ... see sarmauls thread :)
Dont forget silly powergrid requirements in cruiser sized beams and pulses, to lesser amount frig and battleship sized.
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.07.04 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yodohime Kibagami on 04/07/2006 14:26:38
Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/07/2006 13:54:08
Originally by: Heiken Wimast
Originally by: Nyxus
Cruiser DPS of the Maller, Ruppie, and Rax with heaviest and medium short range weapons.
Pathetic...
That's because the maller is a tanking ship, not a combat ship. Compare it with the Omen for a proper comparison.
And people say I'm biased
Edit, also, the rax & rupture damage is a little bit higher as he isn't using thermal drones.
I'd guess he used maller because (a) its tier 3 and (b) does better at dealing damage because even though Omen does slightly better damage with 4 turrets with RoF at high level boni than 5, it has much less grid to put on its weapons and the RoF bonus also means it is more efficient at doing damage AND pumping its cap dry.
The RoF bonus should be 7.5% per level because its killing the cap, even with l33t skills
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Yodohime Kibagami
Amarr Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:40:00 -
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Imho tracking boni is a damage increase of a sort, just not one you can put to so easy calculation.
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Yodohime Kibagami
Amarr Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Yodohime Kibagami on 09/08/2006 17:54:12 Rather this than a regular feed of random rabble and complaints of amarr and some good posts hidden to the masses of small whinging topics.
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Yodohime Kibagami
Amarr Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.13 17:22:00 -
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Has anyone done the comparisons for the sustainability of the different top tier dps battleships?
Lacking 4'th mid for the precious cap booster 800 unlike with megathron probably hurts geddon almost as much as damage types.
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